Ok, so I know that everyone has had it with arguing about the Daniel Tosh incident. But let’s just look over a few quick points:

1.) PEOPLE ARE PISSED. This is s good thing. Earnest discussion is like, well, kind of the best.


“When you try to reduce the issue to a question of “well if you don’t like it, don’t put yourself in that situation” you recreate what people tell rape victims all of the damn time. The question of freedom to say things in not in jeopardy.”Art” is not in fucking jeopardy. Hopefully what’s in jeopardy is bad jokes. Because you can make a good joke about something if you structure in a way that highlights why a normative attitude about your subject is problematic. Which is not what this guy is capable of. Like, at all. And by the way– there is such a thing as shock. And there is such a thing as wanting to be reimbursed in a transaction if you feel like the product wasn’t up to par. So this whole thing about the tickets and accepting them being some sign of not being that offended is really absurd. Also, she was offended by Tosh not the establishment itself.”

and then breathe, because you’re going to have to get into the nitty-gritty of how rape culture is a thing and people have a really hard time (like they might want to shoot you or fart and scream and vomit all over themselves kind of hard time) when you call them out and inform them about things like ideology and all sorts of crazy structures they’ve internalized. People don’t like being told that their special snowflakeness is in fact, formed and not really special or snowflakey. All you can do is try to not grid your teeth into your gums in frustration and breathe and yes, it will be hard so maybe consider having a team. This process if going to be something like a “FEMTERVENTION” in which you educate about some serious feminism because friends don’t let friends stay ignorant. Kisses and good luck!

3.) Now we have verifiable proof that that dude is not and has never been funny. Hallelujah!

4.) The bad news is we still have a lot of work to do! But, I’m hoping we got in the bag.


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  1. What I’ve taken away from this post:
    1. There can be funny rape jokes.
    2. Rape jokes that are funny expose permissive and internalized attitudes of the audience members in a way that should make them question their attitudes towards it.
    3. That is to say, such jokes don’t really derive their humor from the violence of rape, but rather the systematic violence of rape culture that we all participate in.
    4. Daniel Tosh is a shitty comedian and his joke was not funny or insightful.

    Also, George Carlin said this long before this incident:

    Lots of groups in this country want to tell you how to talk. Tell you what you can’t talk about. Well, sometimes they’ll say, well you can talk about something but you can’t joke about it. Say you can’t joke about something because it’s not funny. Comedians run into that shit all the time. Like rape. They’ll say, “you can’t joke about rape. Rape’s not funny.” I say, “fuck you, I think it’s hilarious. How do you like that?” I can prove to you that rape is funny. Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd. See, hey why do you think they call him “Porky,” eh? I know what you’re going to say. “Elmer was asking for it. Elmer was coming on to Porky. Porky couldn’t help himself, he got a hard- on, he got horney, he lost control, he went out of his mind.” A lot of men talk like that. A lot of men think that way. They think it’s the woman’s fault. They like to blame the rape on the woman. Say, “she had it coming, she was wearing a short skirt.” These guys think women ought to go to prison for being cock teasers. Don’t seem fair to me. Don’t seem right, but you can joke about it. I believe you can joke about anything. It all depends on how you construct the joke.

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